Demodex Bacteria, One Baby Step at a Time

Written by on July 8, 2008 in Demodex Mites with 15 Comments

Some recent NRS supported research has made more steps towards showing a possible link between demodex mites and rosacea symptoms.

Although this Br J Dermatol paper was mentioned by Rosacea News in (see demodex mite bacteria causes the inflammation ?) June last year, I just got hold of the full text this week.

A couple of interesting thoughts arise. The researchers were able to extract 2 proteins from the bacteria cultured from a demodex mite. These 2 proteins more commonly produced an inflammatory response in rosacea sufferers, compared to non-rosacea sufferers.

This is an example of how medical research makes quite small and steady steps. This was, as I can see, the main result of this piece of research – 2 proteins from bacillus eleronius were extracted from a demodex mite from a rosacea sufferer, and these proteins might cause aggravated symptoms in rosacea sufferers.

Now for the bad news – the researchers could only isolate the bacteria from one mite from one sufferer out of 40. The researchers are unsure why this is the case- whether it is their methods or sufferers had taken antibiotics in the last 14 days. So we are still a long way from being able to say that demodex bacteria causes rosacea symptoms.

The paper makes the argument that the relative efficacies of different types of antibiotics in rosacea treatment leads to the suggestion that rosacea is bacterial in origin (b. oleronius is sensitive to tetracycline, doxycycline and minocycline) ;

The mechanism by which antibiotics successfully clear the inflammatory lesions of papulopustular rosacea is unknown. It has been suggested that antibiotics work through anti-inflammatory mechanisms, but other potent anti-inflammatory drugs are ineffective and immunosuppressive agents such as steroids (administered topically or systemically) and tacrolimus can make the inflammatory eruption of rosacea worse.

The fact that only selective antibiotics are effective in rosacea suggested to us the possibility that a bacterial agent may be involved in the pathogenesis of the disease. A D. folliculorum related bacterium sensitive to the antibiotics used in the treatment of rosacea could explain the induction of inflammatory changes in papulopustular rosacea.

The researchers conclude that the significance of finding b. oleronius in association with demodex mites and their biological functions need to be further defined. Other mite related bacteria also need to be investigated.

An enormous amount of research effort has been invested in demodex mites. This paper takes a baby step towards perhaps understanding a possible link.

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  1. Artist says:

    I’m going to be more optimistic on this one. On the point of whether or not B. Oleronius is the true culprit, the study is a small step. However, I think they discovered a lot along the way. I found the details to be extremely eye-opening. I read the paper, and it’s complicated, but I think I understood it enough to comment on a few points.

    First off, they pointed out all the huge holes in in the anti-inflammatory theory. I had never stopped to think about it, but I’m now much more open to the idea that antibiotics help by clearing away bacteria containing antigens we are allergic to (B. Oleroneous or otherwise). Consider the fact that we tend to get worse when we eat sugar and carbs, the most appealing food for bacteria. Cut sugar and decrease carbs for a day, bacterial activity decreases, symptoms are depressed.

    Also, the antibiotics that work for rosacea are the same ones that B. Oleroneus are sensitive to. That’s a big coincidence.

    OK we already knew that stuff, but here’s more: The researchers found that two proteins on that bug (B. Oleroneus) caused an allergic reaction when mixed with sera (blood serum) from rosacea patients. This wasn’t found in sera from non-rosaceans. Wouldn’t it be something if rosacea were nothing more than an allergic reaction to a bacteria normally found in termites? (B. Oleroneus is not normally found in humans.)

    I’d normally argue that because our skin is so compromised, it’s sensitive to everything and a reaction to a bacteria would be no big deal. However, they tested with blood (the sera) and showed a reaction, so that really caught my attention.

    So they only cultured out one colony from one mite. To me, this proves it’s a possibility. They could have very easily lost them through their culturing method. They chose to culture at 30 degrees instead of 37. Seems to me these critters would have preferred the warmer temp 🙂

    Cheers! Artist

    • Lbowrm says:

      I agree with you. That all makes perfect sense and I think docs no but make more money screwing around with stuff that might help when they could cure people. I say this because when my child suffered constant colds tonsil removal was suggested. I was close to agreeing even though I didn’t think it would help. Fortunately, a friend suggested allergy testing which no doctor had done or even thought of. The problem was dust mites all along.

  2. It is interesting that only the rosacea sufferers’ blood showed a reaction to the 2 proteins that they isolated – something that is worth investigating further. If they could show that that these 2 proteins could somehow induce an immune response in rosacea sufferers in general, then we would indeed want to know why !

    The whole inflammatory pathway vs. bacteria argument is also something that needs to nailed down. It feels a bit like the chicken and an egg argument. What came first, the bacteria fielding the antigens or are the bacteria just bystanders to another reason that the inflammation is present ? Add to the mix the fact that antibiotics in low doses interrupt the inflammation without killing the bacteria themselves, but still show a reduction in rosacea symptoms.

    I wonder if low doses of antibiotics also eliminate the antigens that the bacteria produce ?

    More good question that needs to be addressed !


  3. Karen Raley says:

    I have been under siege of demotex mites on my face, rosacea, on my scalp with hair loss in that area and eyelashes and eyebrows also. I son sent your article to me as I’m trying doctors who don’t believe me and treat me for dermitas. I did get one to give (Dr Assistant ?) me a tube of permethrin cream ONLY after I visited her three times and became a pest to her. She ignored everything I told her. So after using the tube for which I really had no instructions, and have not had results except very little.
    I don’t know why doctors are so resistant to treating these mites. I even took articles etc. she wouldn’t even look at them.
    I don’t know who to see and I am really feeling down. Tried tea tree oil but no instrctions on how to use it. Bought generic ttr shampoo and conditioner. Results are minimal.
    So, here I am searching for as much info I can find, Your article(s) and or notes on roscea are good for me to see I’m not alone.
    I’m just a minnow in a sea of demodex mites and no one to help/catch me with my problem.
    I’m going to continue to read your followup comments and hope I find an olive branch I can reach for help.
    Just wanted to…..I don’t know……just get it out there to other “believers” and are lost as I am.
    Thank you for reading my comment.

    • Lbowrm says:

      The mites eat fat. That’s why accutane works, in my opinion. It shrinks pores and dries skin. Doctors pretending they don’t know this is bullshit** because these mites have been studied since 1925.
      Tea tree oil will make the mites come out of pores. When they are out, wipe them away with a medicated cloth for that purpose after five minutes. Do it 3 times.
      TtO has to be diluted.
      Wash with sulfur soap. Use tea tree oil scented everything. Stay away from dogs as they carry demodex mites and they don’t on humans. They are the mites that cause mange. dog and human demodex mites are supposedly different but why is the million dollar dermatologist industry and million dollar pet industry going to admit this.
      Take vitamin A and acidophilus. Don’t drink alcohol and avoid sugar. Sugar is almost imossible to avoid in every single processed food. Even pickle juice and hot sauce. Read labels.
      Do the same things you have to do for dust mites, which can also cause reactions in skin. I’m guessing, I think anyone sensitive to one is sensitive to the other probably but I’m not a doctor (thank God, since they don’t seem to be taught to figure things out.)
      The mites come out in the dark, like bedbugs, and they mate. You my want to sleep with a light on until they are gone
      I’m not sure how to moisturize since they eat fats. They eat collagen and age us (more money for dermatologists.)
      So far, that’s the strategy I’ve come up with.
      They don’t like a temp of 53 degrees.

  4. Annet says:

    I saw a dermatologist and told him I saw small dots through a magnifying glass all over my body and he told me I was halucinating and told me to see a head doctor, but he didn’t say anything about the bites on my back whereas, my family doctor sent me to him for that reason. I don’t understand why the medical people are turning there back to us..Five months later 2 trips to emergency with bites all over me- no help.. What does one do. I live live in a major city in Ontario Canada, and this is 2012 not 1952–what happened to the medical people -So depressing cause I am at a stand still….HELP!!!

    • Jill says:

      I have bathed in a tub with Kleen Green. It kills mites. It really helps so much. And trader joe has a tea tree oil body wash and shampoo that is great! Best wishes.

  5. Leilani says:

    For the comment about our medical personnel, I agree. However, not all of them are bad. It’s a shame how there seems to be a complete disregard of the hippocratic oath these days. I’ve had my share of poor bed side manners and lack of sensitivity overall. One dermatologist I saw tried to sell me Botox while I was pregnant. He also prescribed a “safe” antibiotic for my rosacea which I never took. I would only encourage to maintain a hopeful attitude since there are great professionals out there making a difference and truly helping people. I think there needs to be more not only on a local level but globally. That’s going to take a very long time assuming it does happen in the future. In the meantime I find these websites rather helpful and useful in ensuring an informed perspective about rosacea and possible agents that may ameliorate suffering.

    • Lbowrm says:

      Why are you sticking up for dermatologists? They are either not being taught or not telling us what they do know.
      I have had different treatment from docs depending on if I had an insurance company or not to bleed dry. Dermatologists are the worst, regardless of insurance. They will string somebody on for years trying stupid topical meds, and whatever else when these mites have been studied since 1925.

  6. Alissa says:

    I found this company who does free phone consultations, I’m thinking of trying their treatment

  7. Sarah Kaye says:

    I am somewhat releaved to know I am not the only sufferer. These pests have controled every asspect of my life for the past 8 terrifying months. How is this not more widely known? Everyone thinks Im on drugs and going crazy. The demodex are now in my knuckles and under my finger nails. Is it possible for them to be in my stool?

  8. Jill says:

    Dial soap is good for scrubbing hands and nails even body but does not seem to kill the D. Mite Bacteria.

  9. kristin says:

    ivermectin cream cleared my rosacea type 2 in 5 weeks.(applied 1x at night before bed) …. i use it 1x a week at night to keep my rosaceain remission. i had been trying to control my rosacea with no luck with elidel, metrogel, and oral doxy. nothing worked. ivermectin 110% got rid of all of my rosacea

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