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acupuncture

PostPosted: Thu Dec 06, 2007 8:18 pm
by neilbatt
Hello everybody,

I was just wondering if anyone has any knowledge of Rosacea and acupuncture. Firstly, has anyone had any success with it? And secondly, if anyone knows which acupuncture points need to be treated in order to get results?

Cheers,

Neil

Re: acupuncture

PostPosted: Fri Dec 07, 2007 2:43 am
by David Pascoe
Accupuncture is an interesting option, but I haven't seen much feedback sadly. Here is the best I could find so far.

from "johnnycake>
to rosacea-support
date Jan 14, 2005 4:05 AM
subject Re: [rosacea] accupuncture or naturopathy...any suggestions?

i tried accupuncture for rosacea for about 8 mos & it really had no effect on
the rosacea, but did improve my overall quality of life.


from michelejwright <ranchmaid@hotmail.com>
to rosacea-support
date Oct 22, 2005 8:14 AM
subject Re: [rosacea] Easily overheated

hi
i would have to agree that traditional western medicine hasnt offered me much around the
overheating. I have been seeing a chinese herbalist for about 12 months and it has been
the only thing that has offered some perspectives that make sense. I had had every blood
test that my GP coud do to rule out things like a thyroid problem and lupus etc. Chinese
medicine works on ideas of hot/cold dry/damp etc. so my TCM practitioner told me to
stop eating certain foods that are meant to be heating (some of those are already on the
rosacea list), i take herbs and have accupuncture. TCM aslo says that anxiety creates heat
in the body and so you need to address the anxiety aswell. I have to say this makes sense
to me but it hasnt provided all the answers. I still get hot but not as hot as i used to. I have
to say that i had to make a drastic decision to go off my SSRI's as I beleive this added to
my overheating. I add this bit is very cautiously as I dont want people to think about
stopping meds they need. Everyone is different and i know alot of people dont experience
the heating from SSRI and can tolerate them. I couldnt. It was a very hard decision to come
off them and if anyone is considering it please only do so in consultation with your doctor.
I found withdrawl initially very difficult and had to wean myself off. Also if you need meds
stay on them please! better too hot than in hospital or worse (sorry i dont want to sound
alarmist) I have been having accupuncture and herbs to deal with my anxiety (which was
why i was on the meds in the first place).
Anyway the other things that worked for me were some simple things- changing my
bedding (i found i had been sleeping under a heavy goose down doona!!) i know sleep
under a light cotton and wool blanket. this has been one thing that has made a huge
difference beleive it or not. I stopped drinking hot drinks in the afternoon and evening
(when my heating risk is worse), i let my food cool a bit before eating it, avoid certain
trigger foods (still working out whats the ones for me), do exercise like swimming rather
than other gym based activities that would cause me to flush. I have given up alcohol for
the time being (i hope this isnt forever) and am awainting IPL treatments.
hope this helps someone
thanks
michele

regards
bd

Re: acupuncture

PostPosted: Thu Dec 27, 2007 7:53 pm
by phlika29
This is something I have tried. A few years ago I went to a number of sessions which did have quite a major effect both positive and negative.

Negatives-during each session I had a major flush which really took it out of me.
Positives- after the sessions my flushing would completely alter and tended to be confined to my nose.

Long term effects were negligible for me and only lasted whilst I continued regular treatments. I stopped due to the intense flushing whilst the needles were in.

Re: acupuncture

PostPosted: Fri Dec 28, 2007 1:12 am
by Aurelia
Hi Sarah,

Just wondering if you ever considered trying acupressure, in case gentle stimulation of those same points might have helped. I've no idea whether or not it might do any good, just musing.

Kind regards,

Aurelia

Re: acupuncture

PostPosted: Fri Dec 28, 2007 11:37 am
by phlika29
I did buy a book on acupressure but like most things I attempt to do it for a while and then sort of forget about it. Perhaps I should dig it out again and have another go.

Re: acupuncture

PostPosted: Wed Jan 16, 2008 11:54 am
by bubblensqueek
hi everyone, I'm a new member, am a 30 yr old woman and got diagnosed about 9 months ago. My rosacea is emotional stress related and CBT has really helped me so far. I started having accupuncture about two weeks before X mas and I am not sure whether it's just the accupuncture or also the fact I've given up alcohol (and I never really was a big drinker) but my Rosacea is really improving! Accupuncture defintely makes me more relaxed which in itself can only do good for any Rosacea sufferer so I highly recommend it. My chinese doctor said I need 12 once a week sessions and probably can go down to once evry two weeks after that. An accupuncture treatment with her is always followed by accupressure. you should give it a try. Just make sure you find someone who knows what she/he is doing. :oops:

Re: acupuncture

PostPosted: Fri Jan 18, 2008 8:59 pm
by phlika29
Hi and welcome

I'm glad that you have found something that works well.

Giving up alcohol can help but unless you were drinking every night I'm sure that your improvement is mainly a result of the acupuncture.

Sarah

Re: acupuncture

PostPosted: Tue Mar 09, 2010 12:47 am
by joeleitz
That's interesting that the acupuncture and acupressure has worked for you and I'm happy that you have found something that works. A friend of mine bought an acupressure mat and she claims that it really helps her with all of her aches and pains. I wonder if just lying on an acupressure mat would relieve any of your symptoms. That would be interesting if you were to experience any noticeable relief from that.

Re: acupuncture

PostPosted: Tue Mar 09, 2010 3:13 am
by Aurelia
Joe or Jessy is a known spammer so I have deleted the promotional link, but left the reference to accupressure mats stand, in case someone just might find one helpful.

Kind regards,

Aurelia

Re: acupuncture

PostPosted: Sun Jun 05, 2011 12:14 pm
by David Pascoe
Here is a really interesting critique of what seems to be an encouraging, prestigious peer-reviewed journal article finding support of some benefit from acupuncture as a generally beneficial treatment.

This is bad news for those who want proof that acupuncture is worthwhile as the article sound refutes the journal for bad science.

Acupuncturists show that acupuncture doesn’t work, but conclude the opposite: journal fails

One wonders about the standards of peer review at the British Journal of General Practice. The June issue has a paper, "Acupuncture for ‘frequent attenders’ with medically unexplained symptoms: a randomised controlled trial (CACTUS study)".

There is no need to wade through all the statistics; it’s perfectly obvious at a glance that acupuncture has at best a tiny and erratic effect on any of the outcomes that were measured.

But this is not what the paper said. On the contrary, the conclusions of the paper said

Conclusion

The addition of 12 sessions of five-element acupuncture to usual care resulted in improved health status and wellbeing that was sustained for 12 months.


How on earth did the authors manage to reach a conclusion like that?

...

My conclusions

(1) This paper, though designed to be susceptible to almost every form of bias, shows staggeringly small effects. It is the best evidence I’ve ever seen that not only are needles ineffective, but that placebo effects, if they are there at all, are trivial in size and have no useful benefit to the patient in this case..

(2) The fact that this paper was published with conclusions that appear to contradict directly what the data show, is as good an illustration as any I’ve seen that peer review is utterly ineffective as a method of guaranteeing quality. Of course the editor should have spotted this. It appears that quality control failed on all fronts.