Cod Liver Oil experiment (benefits of water)

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Cod Liver Oil experiment (benefits of water)

Postby DaveH » Thu Mar 04, 2010 12:52 pm

Hi All,

The following post was originally made on the http://rosacea-support.org/australia blog in the comments section. As DavidP pointed out, it's a fairly lengthy post and probably more suited to a thread on the forum than a response to the blog. I attempted to post it there as it was the results of a recommendation of Cod Liver Oil that someone had suggested. There is some information in here which may be more relevant to the discussion in the blog that I previously linked, but I hope it's of interest to all. Here's the post in its entirety.

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Hi All,

Sorry, but this is going to be long.

I was trialling the Cod Liver Oil and wanted to give my results as well as a number of things that have occurred since I last posted.

To keep track of my skin, I created a Word file with a number of areas where I could note changes in my skin for the day, food I ate, potential triggers consumed or exposed to, increases of anything in my diet (e.g. water, alcohol), decreases (e.g. coffee), stress level, medication I took that day as well as a self-assessment of the severity of my skin ranging from 0 (not showing at all) to 10 (at it’s absolute worst). I provided a link in a previous post to a blank version of this file for others to use.

I started using the Cod Liver Oil on Sunday 24th January and from that day I kept detailed notes, as well as an image representing my face showing, when needed, the areas that my skin was manifesting so any unusual changes could be noted. As detailed as it was, I can say that this has been one of the most interesting and enlightnening things I’ve done as I’ve truly seen some unusual trends. Here is a graphic of the trend my severity endured over that time with a couple of areas added (alcohol, water and laptop use): http://img269.imageshack.us/img269/7899/skintrend.png

I had believed that my condition was cyclical and still believe that, if left unattended, it is. In the image above, a cycle can be seen starting at a peak on the 24th January with the lowest point on the 28th and at a (modest) peak again on the 31st January and 1st of February. It then started to decline again but the trend is interrupted by exposure to alcohol on Wednesday, 3rd February. Alcohol had always been a trigger for me, and my skin responded as seen on approximately Friday, 5th February where I recorded a self-assessment of 5. If it weren’t for that peak, the next peak would occur in what I believe is part of a cycle on Friday 7th or 8th of March.

A couple of things occurred shortly after this which completely change the way my skin has been reacting. Firstly, I rarely use my laptop but a few weeks ago on Wednesday, 10th February when I did, I noted that even though it was on my lap, it made much of my body and even my cheeks feel warm and dry. I noted this in passing in the diary. The next day, I had a bout in my skin condition and noted how it looked and where it expressed. Shortly before this, I started drinking approximately 2 litres of water a day, the results of which I’ll discuss in a bit. However, my skin was relatively calm during that period. However, last Friday night I used the laptop again (the first time since the previously noted usage) and I felt my body and face feeling hot again and my face visibly redenned. The next day my skin was as bad as the previous time though I hadn’t made the link yet. I looked through the diary to the last time I used the laptop and not only noted that the symptoms were the same, but so was the slightly unusual way in which the condition was manifesting (as well as being red, there were some darker areas on my cheeks, sort of like freckles). The skin had expressed in exactly the same way. So, for whatever reason (internal heating of the body?), I am almost certain that using a laptop on my lap as actually a trigger for my condition. The weirdest things you find… and I don’t think I would’ve made the connection without the diary.

As previously mentioned, from approximately Monday 8th February, I started drinking roughly 2 litres of water a day. This has had the largest impact on my condition since I was diagnosed with it. More so than any medication I’ve had or things I’ve tried to avoid. The following trend line shows how my condition has decreased since using starting keeping this diary:
http://img94.imageshack.us/img94/7502/skintrendline.png . The largest part of the decrease has occurred since I’ve been consuming the water.

For the Cod Liver Oil itself, I didn’t note it having any great impact on the condition. The only thing I might be able to attribute to it is that when my skin flared up after the first exposure to alcohol, it seemed to clear up more quickly than usual. Whether this is due to the Cod Liver Oil, I can’t be sure. It hasn’t had any detrimental impact on me, so I’ll continue it until I finish the bottle.

Onto other news, I saw a skin specialist last Tuesday. As my skin had been pretty clear for a number of days, I took the diary in as it had a couple of graphics representing my face and showing where my skin was being affected. Sure, I’d spiral bound the 10 or so pages that held my diary but I didn’t expect the response from the specialist who, when I presented it to him, looked at it and said “this is obsessive!”. He didn’t even seem to be that interested in the trend I’d created in Excel showing the positive effect of water and the triggers of alcohol. In fact, despite going in for a skin diagnosis he diagnosed me with a personality disorder by stating that “often people who have skin conditions like this also have things such as obsessive-compulsive disorder”. I did point out to him that I am a researcher by profession and was only doing my best to track all potential variables and the condition himself. I actually thought it was humorous. ;-)

Anyway, you may have noted that I haven’t referred to my condition as Rosacea in this post and that’s because I’m not sure what it is. He suggested that it was actually Seborrhoeic Dermatitis, which, before I was diagnosed with Rosacea, is what I thought I had. I had believed that my condition has responded to Doxycycline and I asked him Seborrhoeic Dermatitis would. He said “no” but followed that up with the fact that a person could have both Seborrhoeic Dermatitis and Rosacea. So, he prescribed Nizoral cream (used twice daily) and Nizoral shampoo (used twice weekly). They seem to have had an immediate effect with my skin being practically 0 for the past 3 days (I only started using it on Friday) despite exposure to alcohol on Saturday night which showed an increase in the condition, but a rapid one.

Finally, I also bought some mineral foundation and think that it is wonderful. It has covered any blemishes well though I’m yet to use it with a really bad break out.

If I can provide anyone with further information, or if anyone’s interested in a copy of the diary (currently 12 A4 pages long) let me know and I can send it over. Although all of the assessments are subjective (I rated the condition of my skin by myself, which could have been influenced by mood, self-consciousness etc.) I think they could be of some value to someone, whether a researcher or not.

Sorry for the long post. I had a lot to catch up on and I’m not sure I’ve said all that I was planning on saying. :-\

Bye for now,
Dave
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Re: Cod Liver Oil experiment (benefits of water)

Postby Auburn » Thu Mar 04, 2010 4:33 pm

Hi Dave, (wave)

Thanks for taking the time to write such an interesting and helpful post.

You are right, most people would not make the laptop-redness/flush connection. If I'm going to have my laptop on my lap, I always use a laptop desk (similar to this one), because, in my case, the heat causes restless legs.

I've been drinking about 2 liters of water (light green tea, actually) per day for months now and, yes, I think it has made a huge difference.

Re: cod liver oil, what brand are you using? I just purchased another bottle but, just like you, I can't really tell if I'm benefiting from it. The one I've been taking has a high concentration of DHA and EPA so I just keep taking it because of that.

About the "doctor" who diagnosed you with a personality disorder for trying to find out what's triggering your flushes, well, he's SO lucky it wasn't me because I would've kicked the jerk in the shin!

Take care,

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Re: Cod Liver Oil experiment (benefits of water)

Postby ipfreely » Tue May 11, 2010 3:25 am

Its very hard to find a doctor who cares as much about your condition as you do. Rosacea is very hard to get a grip on. I think one of the great things about the internet is you can discuss specific conditions in a forum like this and people will actually understand your need for a diary!

In regards to the cod liver oil, I've been taking it (carlson norwegian brand) as a heart health supplement for a while without realizing that some people recommend it for rosacea due to the omega 3's. Unfortunately, I haven't noticed any improvement in my skin while taking it though.
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Re: Cod Liver Oil experiment (benefits of water)

Postby ipfreely » Tue May 11, 2010 3:30 am

I should add regarding the benefits of water that the 'rosacea ltd' system comes with a booklet that harps on practically drowning yourself. I've mentioned in another thread that the topical system they sell didnt work for me but they do send an interesting info packet with it. They claim you need to drink very cold water and cool your system off. Frankly I have never been able to get into constantly drinking water. If only beer would suffice.
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Re: Cod Liver Oil experiment (benefits of water)

Postby Mike T » Tue May 11, 2010 3:58 am

Congratulations in taking a scientific approach to this.

It has nothing to do with a personality disorder or obsession. If anything it shows that you are level headed in taking a systematic and documented approach to a problem. As you would know researchers and scienticts do it all the time when trying to come up with answers.

I am quite interested with your connection of alliviated sypmtoms with increased water intake. For some reason i believe Rosaceans have a harder time of retaining water within the body, which is why we need to drink so much to see some improvement in symptoms (And it is not always practical for people to drink 2 litres of water a day). This is why i have started taking Hyaluronic Acid (HLA) supplimentation as of a few weeks now.

You may be interested in doing some research on this; pretty much HLA helps to retain moisture within the body meaning less water consumption is needed.

I have included a brief extract from a website below.

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Chemically, hyaluronic acid is a polysaccharide of Glycosaminoglycans family, which is part of animals' and human beings' skin. It is contained in joints fluid, in ligaments, and in vitreous body, umbilical cord, shark's skin, and in some bacteria cells. Hyaluronic acid synthesis in derma and epidermis starts slowing down as early as 15 years of age and accelerates under the influence of different factors.

In fact, hyaluronic acid can absorb more than 1,000 times its weight in water allowing it to hydrate the skin and other areas that it contacts. In addition to its hyper-hydration properties, hyaluronic acid is also known for its role in wound healing (some Rosaceans report delayed wound healing) and in the prevention of scarring, the reason why it is highly valued in cosmetology and aesthetic surgery. Hyaluronic acid helps our skin to maintain its elasticity, hydration and firmness levels (chronic dryness another side effect affecting many Rosceans) which is essential for young and radiant skin. Compared to other moisturizers, hyaluronic acid has got a number of advantages. Hyaluronic acid has the highest hygroscopic property (the ability to absorb moisture) compared to other most common moisturising agents such as glycerine and sorbitol. At the same time, unlike glycerine, it stays active in dry atmosphere.

Hyaluronic acid is justly called a molecular sponge sometimes. In cosmetics hyaluronic acid (or its natrium salt, natrium hyalurate) is mainly used as a moisturising component and is considered one of the most «pleasant» cosmetic components. At present hyaluronic acid and its salts are used in moisturising creams, lipsticks and lip balms, anti cellulite lotions, eyelid gels, sun tan lotions, and anti-inflammatory lotions, wound healing and anti-sun repairing lotions. It is compatible with skin, does not cause allergic reactions or irritations. Cosmetics which contain hyaluronic acid soften, moisturise and protect the skin, noticeably changing its appearance. High efficiency of cosmetic products using hyaluronic acid is due to its property to evenly distribute on skin surface, forming a light coat which actively absorbs moisture from the air. This facilitates the increase of free water in corneal layer as well as creates «extra moisture» effect, decreasing water evaporation from the skin surface.
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Re: Cod Liver Oil experiment (benefits of water)

Postby Mike T » Tue May 11, 2010 4:10 am

I forgot to add within 2 weeks on HLA supplimentation my number of wrinkles have greatly diminished. My lips also have gotten alot more "Plump" (not that i had a problem with them before).

If i can use the analogy of a partly deflated balloon. That is how i felt, and looked when my insides were dry. After increasing hydration it is as if someone has blown up the balloon.

I still cant decide wether my actuall skin is less dry, if my redness is reduced because of it. A bit more time is needed.

As with all vitamins HLA should be taken appropriatley. The body should naturally produce 100-150mg of HLA a day. I believe in Rosaceans this is less. I started supplimenting with 50mg per day, now at 100mg per day which i will not exceed. After a few months i will drop back to 50mg and see if i can maintain results.

Also note that taking this suppliment does not mean you do not have to drink water. Think of HLA as a sponge. You still need water intake, the HLA just retains it.

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Re: Cod Liver Oil experiment (benefits of water)

Postby Mike T » Tue May 11, 2010 6:45 am

A you tube video which is alot easier to watch, then to read my previous posts.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PefdHNnDuv4
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Re: Cod Liver Oil experiment (benefits of water)

Postby oldredlady » Tue Aug 09, 2011 12:40 pm

The above post has been reported for spamming.
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Re: Cod Liver Oil experiment (benefits of water)

Postby bellableu » Thu Aug 11, 2011 9:30 pm

Thanks for the report - removed! Sorry it took a couple days. :)
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Re: Cod Liver Oil experiment (benefits of water)

Postby oldredlady » Fri Aug 12, 2011 3:13 am

Hi bellableu, not a problem, just wanted to keep the discussion on course, though now it looks like Mike's post was reported, sorry, Mike. :)

Not a big water drinker myself, though I do drown in coffee and tea most days; a doc I used to work with said that decaf. coffee/tea are OK for hydration purposes, so I try to to stick to those for the most part.

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