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	<title>Comments on: SIBO Eradication Clears Rosacea (Rifaximin/Xifaxan): are you serious ?</title>
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		<title>By: Ken</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ken</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Jan 2012 22:09:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry, Deborah, but antibiotics kill or prevent or slow the growth of bacteria, not yeasts.  They are two different sorts of life entirely, as different, perhaps, as house cats and mushrooms. 

Candida (usually, C. albicans) is, as you know, a yeast.  Yeasts are fungi, and to kill or control fungi you need an antifungal.  Antibiotics do not kill yeast--in fact, they can at least indirectly promote their growth!

In other words, killing all sorts of bacteria, both good and bad, with the use of a broad spectrum antibiotic often &quot;makes room&quot; for the growth of yeasts like C. albicans.  

That&#039;s why it is always a good idea to take probiotics when you are taking an antibiotic (if not an antifungal), so that, to the extent you can, you do not enable the overgrowth of other organisms, like C. albicans.

Anyway, yes, it&#039;s a good idea to stay away from sugars and simple carbs that easily break down into sugars.  There is way too much of both in the modern diet.  I doubt, however, that there is that much of a connection with rosacea, at least in my case, as I limit my intake of sugar and processed foods, and have for years.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, Deborah, but antibiotics kill or prevent or slow the growth of bacteria, not yeasts.  They are two different sorts of life entirely, as different, perhaps, as house cats and mushrooms. </p>
<p>Candida (usually, C. albicans) is, as you know, a yeast.  Yeasts are fungi, and to kill or control fungi you need an antifungal.  Antibiotics do not kill yeast&#8211;in fact, they can at least indirectly promote their growth!</p>
<p>In other words, killing all sorts of bacteria, both good and bad, with the use of a broad spectrum antibiotic often &#8220;makes room&#8221; for the growth of yeasts like C. albicans.  </p>
<p>That&#8217;s why it is always a good idea to take probiotics when you are taking an antibiotic (if not an antifungal), so that, to the extent you can, you do not enable the overgrowth of other organisms, like C. albicans.</p>
<p>Anyway, yes, it&#8217;s a good idea to stay away from sugars and simple carbs that easily break down into sugars.  There is way too much of both in the modern diet.  I doubt, however, that there is that much of a connection with rosacea, at least in my case, as I limit my intake of sugar and processed foods, and have for years.</p>
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		<title>By: Deborah</title>
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		<dc:creator>Deborah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Jan 2012 21:44:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Ken I think the inflamation is from candida yeast which is promoted by sugar intake and many other things. i believe the antibiotic works because it kills the yeast; there are other ways to do that as well such as changing your diet and using caprilic acid (derived from coconut) a website called wholeapproach.com explains it all. and yes all those things you mentioned except perhas the peppers and hot soup will have to go at least for a while. good luck, i am in the process of killing my yeast once again!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Ken I think the inflamation is from candida yeast which is promoted by sugar intake and many other things. i believe the antibiotic works because it kills the yeast; there are other ways to do that as well such as changing your diet and using caprilic acid (derived from coconut) a website called wholeapproach.com explains it all. and yes all those things you mentioned except perhas the peppers and hot soup will have to go at least for a while. good luck, i am in the process of killing my yeast once again!</p>
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		<title>By: Ken</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ken</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Jan 2012 17:34:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David Pascoe, in his original blog post more than 3 1/2 years ago, asked what inflammation is blocked by Rifaximin.

Looking at the studies, ingesting it apparently increases the levels of the anti-inflammatory cytokine known as interleukin-10.  (Whatever the heck that is.)

I have to find my lab coat, polish my glasses and paste on a pointy little beard in order to quote the following, so hold on a minute....

Ahem: &quot;Rifaximin increases the expression of PXR and PXR-regulated genes involved in the metabolism and excretion of xenobiotics and antagonizes the effects of TNFα in intestinal epithelial cells.&quot;

That&#039;s from a December 2010 paper published in Biological Pharmacology, entitled &quot;Pregnane-X-receptor mediates the anti-inflammatory activities of rifaximin on detoxification pathways in intestinal epithelial cells.&quot; 

Obviously, the quoted bit means f-all to most, including yours truly.

Nevertheless, the take-away is pretty clear: rifaximin interrupts the inflammatory processes that lead to typical rosacea symptoms.  Hence its effectiveness, at least so long as you are taking it, and perhaps for awhile afterwards.

What causes the inflammation in the first place, to ask the big-money question?  

Who knows.  Probably numerous things, which are different for different people.

Me, I don&#039;t know what I might be doing (if anything) that is causation linked.  I think I&#039;ll start by eliminating all the surmised possibles from my diet (including the usual &quot;triggers&quot;) and if the symptoms subside, I&#039;ll start adding things back in, one at a time.  (And if it doesn&#039;t subside, at least I&#039;ll know that diet isn&#039;t a likely contributor to the problem.)  

So goodbye, wine and spirits.  Goodbye, all simple carbs, grains and gluten.  Goodbye, hot peppers.  Goodbye, hot soup.  Been nice knowin&#039; ya.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David Pascoe, in his original blog post more than 3 1/2 years ago, asked what inflammation is blocked by Rifaximin.</p>
<p>Looking at the studies, ingesting it apparently increases the levels of the anti-inflammatory cytokine known as interleukin-10.  (Whatever the heck that is.)</p>
<p>I have to find my lab coat, polish my glasses and paste on a pointy little beard in order to quote the following, so hold on a minute&#8230;.</p>
<p>Ahem: &#8220;Rifaximin increases the expression of PXR and PXR-regulated genes involved in the metabolism and excretion of xenobiotics and antagonizes the effects of TNFα in intestinal epithelial cells.&#8221;</p>
<p>That&#8217;s from a December 2010 paper published in Biological Pharmacology, entitled &#8220;Pregnane-X-receptor mediates the anti-inflammatory activities of rifaximin on detoxification pathways in intestinal epithelial cells.&#8221; </p>
<p>Obviously, the quoted bit means f-all to most, including yours truly.</p>
<p>Nevertheless, the take-away is pretty clear: rifaximin interrupts the inflammatory processes that lead to typical rosacea symptoms.  Hence its effectiveness, at least so long as you are taking it, and perhaps for awhile afterwards.</p>
<p>What causes the inflammation in the first place, to ask the big-money question?  </p>
<p>Who knows.  Probably numerous things, which are different for different people.</p>
<p>Me, I don&#8217;t know what I might be doing (if anything) that is causation linked.  I think I&#8217;ll start by eliminating all the surmised possibles from my diet (including the usual &#8220;triggers&#8221;) and if the symptoms subside, I&#8217;ll start adding things back in, one at a time.  (And if it doesn&#8217;t subside, at least I&#8217;ll know that diet isn&#8217;t a likely contributor to the problem.)  </p>
<p>So goodbye, wine and spirits.  Goodbye, all simple carbs, grains and gluten.  Goodbye, hot peppers.  Goodbye, hot soup.  Been nice knowin&#8217; ya.</p>
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		<title>By: Ken</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ken</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Jan 2012 16:35:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You asked about the best topical mite killer.  Definitely alcohol, but it&#039;s really best if taken internally.  I suggest MaCallan cask strength or Glenmorangie.  ;-)

Seriously, I always thought demodex mites were merely a(nother) symptom, not a cause, and I&#039;ve never tried treating for them.  

Causation seems unlikely to me, but stranger things are no doubt true.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You asked about the best topical mite killer.  Definitely alcohol, but it&#8217;s really best if taken internally.  I suggest MaCallan cask strength or Glenmorangie.  <img src='http://rosacea-support.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Seriously, I always thought demodex mites were merely a(nother) symptom, not a cause, and I&#8217;ve never tried treating for them.  </p>
<p>Causation seems unlikely to me, but stranger things are no doubt true.</p>
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		<title>By: Pete H</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pete H</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Jan 2012 16:20:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Of all the causes and  remedies I have read about on this excellent site I am really starting to focus on mites and the toxicity of their fecal deposits under my nose skin as the real engine of my rosacea. Why don&#039;t the mites burrow into other places on my body that are warm and blood engorged? Maybe they live and colonize on my pillow where my nose rests all night long. Maybe there is a natural selection process whereby only mites of a certain physical character are attracted to burrow into my nose skin. I am starting to rub my nose with alcohol before I get into bed thinking that it might discourage them. What is the best topical mite killer? I want to try it.

Pete H</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of all the causes and  remedies I have read about on this excellent site I am really starting to focus on mites and the toxicity of their fecal deposits under my nose skin as the real engine of my rosacea. Why don&#8217;t the mites burrow into other places on my body that are warm and blood engorged? Maybe they live and colonize on my pillow where my nose rests all night long. Maybe there is a natural selection process whereby only mites of a certain physical character are attracted to burrow into my nose skin. I am starting to rub my nose with alcohol before I get into bed thinking that it might discourage them. What is the best topical mite killer? I want to try it.</p>
<p>Pete H</p>
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		<title>By: Ken</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ken</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Jan 2012 14:13:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just thought I&#039;d provide the group with my own experience using Xifaxan/Rifaximin, which I turned to after trying virtually everything else available.

I am a mid-50&#039;s, fair-skinned US male who has had type-II rosacea since at least his 20&#039;s.  

Through most of that time I have also suffered from acne vulgaris, which kept the rosacea from being diagnosed until telangiactases began to appear late in my 30s. I went through a course of accutane in my late 20s for my &quot;regular acne,&quot; which totally ceased being a problem for me only a couple of years ago.  (I no longer get blackheads--just the papules and pustules of rosacea.  I&#039;d gladly trade one problem for the other, thank you very much.)  I also have seborrhea, mainly in the eyebrows, which tends to be worst in the winter.  Otherwise, my health is very good--I exercise regularly, eat well, etc.--although fairly minor, non-specific intestinal issues bother me on occasion (low-level nausea, looser than normal stools, etc.) I am probably a bit lactose intolerant, and stay away from milk products most of the time.

As for other rosacea treatments, not one of the typically-prescribed topicals (like metronidazole, azelaic acid, etc.) or oral tetracyclines (like doxycycline) work, period.  The only things that do work--but only while taking them--are macrolides like azithromycin, and, of all things antibiotic, amoxicillin.  (For me, amoxy works like a charm.)  

OK.  I took a hydrogen breath test, which I got after sending my GP the 2008 Italian study.  It came back mildly positive for SIBO.  

My doctor then prescribed Xifaxan 1200 mg/day for 10 days, just as in the study.  

Immediately before starting the Xifaxan, I had finished a course of Amoxicillin, so I was clear to start.  (After completing a course of Amoxy, the rosacea papules always reappear within a couple of days.)  

Well, while taking the Xifaxan, I remained totally clear, until the ninth day of treatment, when one solitary papule appeared near my upper lip.

Unfortunately, that one uninvited guest was soon joined by scores of others for the usual party, all within three days of finishing the scrip.  I am now nine days out from completing the treatment, and it is as if I never took it.  

I was hoping for at least a few months of respite, but it was simply not to be.

My experience suggests the following, at least to me:  given that the body plan of all life forms from planaria to humans is the same (a hollow tube), the skin and the gut are one and the same, just differently placed, and what affects one will likely also affect the other.  This may help explain why Rifaximin works on rosacea, regardless of its not being adsorbed into the bloodstream.  Rifaximin has anti-inflammatory characteristics, just like other antibiotics.  No great surprise then, that it works at least to some extent on the symptoms of the condition.

It&#039;s back to square one for me.  Given that the etiology of rosacea is doubtless multifactorial, don&#039;t let my story keep you from trying Rifaximin as a  long-term prophylactic, if not a cure.  It might work for you.  Just don&#039;t be too disappointed if it doesn&#039;t, or doesn&#039;t work beyond the time you take it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just thought I&#8217;d provide the group with my own experience using Xifaxan/Rifaximin, which I turned to after trying virtually everything else available.</p>
<p>I am a mid-50&#8242;s, fair-skinned US male who has had type-II rosacea since at least his 20&#8242;s.  </p>
<p>Through most of that time I have also suffered from acne vulgaris, which kept the rosacea from being diagnosed until telangiactases began to appear late in my 30s. I went through a course of accutane in my late 20s for my &#8220;regular acne,&#8221; which totally ceased being a problem for me only a couple of years ago.  (I no longer get blackheads&#8211;just the papules and pustules of rosacea.  I&#8217;d gladly trade one problem for the other, thank you very much.)  I also have seborrhea, mainly in the eyebrows, which tends to be worst in the winter.  Otherwise, my health is very good&#8211;I exercise regularly, eat well, etc.&#8211;although fairly minor, non-specific intestinal issues bother me on occasion (low-level nausea, looser than normal stools, etc.) I am probably a bit lactose intolerant, and stay away from milk products most of the time.</p>
<p>As for other rosacea treatments, not one of the typically-prescribed topicals (like metronidazole, azelaic acid, etc.) or oral tetracyclines (like doxycycline) work, period.  The only things that do work&#8211;but only while taking them&#8211;are macrolides like azithromycin, and, of all things antibiotic, amoxicillin.  (For me, amoxy works like a charm.)  </p>
<p>OK.  I took a hydrogen breath test, which I got after sending my GP the 2008 Italian study.  It came back mildly positive for SIBO.  </p>
<p>My doctor then prescribed Xifaxan 1200 mg/day for 10 days, just as in the study.  </p>
<p>Immediately before starting the Xifaxan, I had finished a course of Amoxicillin, so I was clear to start.  (After completing a course of Amoxy, the rosacea papules always reappear within a couple of days.)  </p>
<p>Well, while taking the Xifaxan, I remained totally clear, until the ninth day of treatment, when one solitary papule appeared near my upper lip.</p>
<p>Unfortunately, that one uninvited guest was soon joined by scores of others for the usual party, all within three days of finishing the scrip.  I am now nine days out from completing the treatment, and it is as if I never took it.  </p>
<p>I was hoping for at least a few months of respite, but it was simply not to be.</p>
<p>My experience suggests the following, at least to me:  given that the body plan of all life forms from planaria to humans is the same (a hollow tube), the skin and the gut are one and the same, just differently placed, and what affects one will likely also affect the other.  This may help explain why Rifaximin works on rosacea, regardless of its not being adsorbed into the bloodstream.  Rifaximin has anti-inflammatory characteristics, just like other antibiotics.  No great surprise then, that it works at least to some extent on the symptoms of the condition.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s back to square one for me.  Given that the etiology of rosacea is doubtless multifactorial, don&#8217;t let my story keep you from trying Rifaximin as a  long-term prophylactic, if not a cure.  It might work for you.  Just don&#8217;t be too disappointed if it doesn&#8217;t, or doesn&#8217;t work beyond the time you take it.</p>
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		<title>By: Fern Roy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fern Roy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Dec 2011 02:33:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Darby;

You did not say if it helped with the GI problem or the face??  I will be seeing my GI Dr on Thursday with the lit in hand to show him.  I have had the GI problems since my colon surgery about 4 or 5 yrs.  I have Ocluar Rosacea, inflamed eyes and eye lids for around 5 mo. I am hoping to try xifaxamine to see if it will help both.  Thanks, Fern</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Darby;</p>
<p>You did not say if it helped with the GI problem or the face??  I will be seeing my GI Dr on Thursday with the lit in hand to show him.  I have had the GI problems since my colon surgery about 4 or 5 yrs.  I have Ocluar Rosacea, inflamed eyes and eye lids for around 5 mo. I am hoping to try xifaxamine to see if it will help both.  Thanks, Fern</p>
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		<title>By: Darby</title>
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		<dc:creator>Darby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Dec 2011 04:39:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fern, My husband has had a few colon surgeries. His GI doctor put him on a course of xifaxamin when he was having severe diahrea. I don&#039;t recall how long he took it or the exact dosage because he started it when he was hospitalized but I think it was only 3-5 days. (this was over a year ago) At the time, he was also dealing with nausea issues.  He had no adverse side effects from the xifaxamin. Our insurance did cover the RX since it was prescribed by a GI doctor for a GI issue. We did pay 3 tier level co pay. The insurance did not cover it for me as it was written by my gynecologist for my face. I called several pharmacies and the cheapest was Costco. The cost is around $600 if your insurance won&#039;t cover it. It may help you with both your rosacea and your GI issues. My husband&#039;s GI doctor had samples he was going to give us but my husband was discharged on the weekend when he was not on duty. Your doctor may have some samples. It wouldn&#039;t hurt to ask!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fern, My husband has had a few colon surgeries. His GI doctor put him on a course of xifaxamin when he was having severe diahrea. I don&#8217;t recall how long he took it or the exact dosage because he started it when he was hospitalized but I think it was only 3-5 days. (this was over a year ago) At the time, he was also dealing with nausea issues.  He had no adverse side effects from the xifaxamin. Our insurance did cover the RX since it was prescribed by a GI doctor for a GI issue. We did pay 3 tier level co pay. The insurance did not cover it for me as it was written by my gynecologist for my face. I called several pharmacies and the cheapest was Costco. The cost is around $600 if your insurance won&#8217;t cover it. It may help you with both your rosacea and your GI issues. My husband&#8217;s GI doctor had samples he was going to give us but my husband was discharged on the weekend when he was not on duty. Your doctor may have some samples. It wouldn&#8217;t hurt to ask!</p>
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		<title>By: Fern Roy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fern Roy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Dec 2011 03:00:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Does most people get tested for SIBO before they start the treatment?  MY GP Dr said they do not usually test because it is to expensive and not reliable.  If the Dr thinks you have it they just put you on the meds instead.  I have had intestinal problems for around 5 yrs since I had colon surgery.  I now have Ocular Rosacea, dry eyes, inflamed eyes and eye lids, etc.  Will be seen the GI Dr next week and will take the article w/me to see what he says.  My system has not been able to tolorate Doxy, erythorcin since my problem leading up to surgery and the surgery.  Not sure how hard xfaxan is on the stomach. I do not know how expensive it is here in the US, I do buy some things from Canada but it does not sound like it is any cheaper there.  Fern</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Does most people get tested for SIBO before they start the treatment?  MY GP Dr said they do not usually test because it is to expensive and not reliable.  If the Dr thinks you have it they just put you on the meds instead.  I have had intestinal problems for around 5 yrs since I had colon surgery.  I now have Ocular Rosacea, dry eyes, inflamed eyes and eye lids, etc.  Will be seen the GI Dr next week and will take the article w/me to see what he says.  My system has not been able to tolorate Doxy, erythorcin since my problem leading up to surgery and the surgery.  Not sure how hard xfaxan is on the stomach. I do not know how expensive it is here in the US, I do buy some things from Canada but it does not sound like it is any cheaper there.  Fern</p>
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		<title>By: Oopsiedaisy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Oopsiedaisy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Dec 2011 03:22:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I did the course of Rifamixin. Cannot recall the dose or length of time, but basically I printed out the study and my PCP prescribed me exactly what the people in the study were given. I followed it perfectly and saw NO improvement. Also, Rifamixin wasn&#039;t covered by insurance, so I spent several hundred dollars out-of-pocket on this little experiment. 

It just goes to show you that not everyone&#039;s Rosacea has the same cause(s)...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I did the course of Rifamixin. Cannot recall the dose or length of time, but basically I printed out the study and my PCP prescribed me exactly what the people in the study were given. I followed it perfectly and saw NO improvement. Also, Rifamixin wasn&#8217;t covered by insurance, so I spent several hundred dollars out-of-pocket on this little experiment. </p>
<p>It just goes to show you that not everyone&#8217;s Rosacea has the same cause(s)&#8230;</p>
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